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Post by STARFIRE on Dec 18, 2014 22:00:10 GMT 10
Get ready to burn Not really. Hey Kapow rejects <3 I think you'll have covered your playing philosophy in your intros, and if you haven't, do it in your closing statements. I'm not the only one who would be interested to read it. So we can skip that in here. I'm not really bitter either, I understand that essentially my boot was down to me, so we can skip the ego massage too. I mean, the position I was in was something that I kind of brought upon myself, so yeah, can't blame anyone else for that. Not saying that if I'd've been more active I'd've won, but hey. So don't do the 'omg hey you <3' thing either, although I kinda suspect neither of you were planning to do so Ivy, you have been in the right place at the right time in every vote since the merge I think, and I respect that. Even when your friends and allies were in a bad spot, you personally found a way to be safe. I don't respect your decisions on every individual vote, cos the boot order was a bit shithouse, but it got you to the end so well done. Basically if I was to vote without the FTC, I'd likely cast it for you, but that means nothing really given that we do have the FTC. Maybe my understanding of your game is strong, maybe I'm way off, and either of those could be true of Dent too so... work for it babes, give me a reason for my gut instinct <3 Dent, I know we never really clicked (at least partially my fault) but of the basic boytches you were the best, and had circumstances been different I would've liked to be a bit closer. But, they weren't. I'm not going to hold your challenge wins against you as some might, but I am not really aware of much strategic prowess, at least nothing lead by you. Maybe holding back was the plan, and if so, well done on doing it effectively I guess. But if it wasn't, ew </3 Also let's talk Kapow. I know that tribe was crazier than any I've been on for a long time. Neither of you managed to survive it, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on why not. Basically that happened when I was still paying attention, so I want to see how observant and/or intuitive you two were there, which will help me assess your claims about observance and intuitiveness post-merge. Obviously you both got voted out of Kapow (but survived, good job in the three way battles :phoenix ) so it won't really lend weight to your arguments of strategic muscle but that's not the only thing that matters, and it also doesn't mean you didn't have it after Kapow. But yeah, tell me as much as you know about how Kapow played out please. One last thing. This is not the most concise jury going around, so I would like it if you guys could be about us. Not in a fallen comrades way, but just in a 'how you did or did not influence the vote' way. For the boots of each of the members of the jury (and The Flash), give me a short, sharp, honest assessment of how the vote came about, and your role in that, if there was any. You can both win my vote, and you can both win the game, we're definitely not a unanimous jury. To get mine, one of the ones genuinely on the table, just be honest with me babes. Good luck <3 -Starfire
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Post by POISON IVY on Dec 19, 2014 0:43:24 GMT 10
Hey Starfire. Kapow was really a dent in all of our games My understanding where I personally went wrong is I pushed for Morbius along with Catwoman. You came to us with the prospects of a girls alliance and we definitely considered it. Catwoman and I wanted to set ourselves up so at the next vote we could sit between the two groups of two and decide which one would benefit us better, which now I look at it must have looked so totally obvious. Scarlet didn't like that idea and took advantage of the distrust Two Face and Joker had voiced their concerns about to me and most likely you guys about her being untrustworthy and very pushy with what she wanted to happen. You guys took advantage of our insecurities as a group and that was the best thing for you guys to do in that situation. We should have just agreed to give up Two Face or joker. After that all went down I flew off my handle but I knew I was next which is why I voted for myself in that vote lol. That was the first time in this game I truly felt in danger. As for the vote outs. Flash - I never had anything to do with that. I never wanted to vote out Flash because I wanted to align with him for sidekick safety if I needed it. I did however tell him that Huntress was a bad idea and she would possibly use items. We should continue to let her think it's her but switch our votes to someone else. He never listened and I was right. Huntress and Arkillo - I had a big part in that. I won the challenge which was the hero and I made my sidekick list so there was enough of my alliance in the vote to take out two who were down in numbers. Yourself - I knew from Kapow you knew what you were doing and we hadn't talked much since so I needed to help vote you out. Nightwing - I had every intention of working with Nightwing. Once he had the fake idol and Batman worked it out it was kind of hard to do anything after that so I had to vote for him. Scarlet - This was half revenge vote and half because I considered working with her... it was just trying to get everyone else to work with her was the problem. Plus my screen cap meltdown put everyone off siding with her. Wiccan - I wasn't apart of this vote but I did mention to people he was the golden boy threat to get to the end. Harley - Was 100% me. I was the vote between Harvey and Harley and I chose Harley because she had never been voted out before and had played a great social game. Especially when she was apart of the alliances with you guys that I had turned down. Batman - I wanted to vote Superwoman with him but I changed my mind on the fact he could win the F3 challenge. Superwoman - The last couple of votes I had been making sure people knew she was a threat and drilled it into Harvey that I was his best option and not her.
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Post by TWO-FACE on Dec 19, 2014 12:07:16 GMT 10
Hi Starfire and thanks for your questions,
Holding back was definitely part of our merge strategy, we couldn't afford to push for HIBC so our best chance was to let the big dogs take each other out and put ourselves in positions to advance. We felt we had to play conservatively as putting our neck out would have us in the gun.
On to Kapow. The reason we didn't survive was we got overambitious and overemotional. We knew there were trust issues with the Cat, but strategically we should have played along with the majority until we could safely try to make the move we wanted. Voting out Cat and then Ivy put myself and the Joker in a minority against people who couldn't believe their luck that the majority imploded. Hindsight shows it was a real dumb move by us and the perfect move by yourself, Scarlet and Morbius. For us, it also made us a lot more cautious going forward in the merge which hindered ours, and others, chances of making bigger moves.
Flash : The Thok group had his back and had the majority. We voted with Flash, but that got upset by vote changers.
Huntress and Arkillo : Again voting with the majority who most wanted to see Huntress go. At best, our part in this was encouraging split vote discussions.
Starfire : We chose to place you and Scarlet in the pit to isolate you against the majority intent on protecting themselves. Which they did.
Nightwing : We chose to place him in the pit alone versus the Thok group who we knew wouldn't turn. Who didn't.
Scarlet : Same as with Starfire and Nightwing and knowing at least two people in the pit wouldn't side with Scarlet. Nobody did.
Wiccan : We tried to ensure one of himself, of Harley, would leave by protecting Batman with the idol. Inevitably it didn't matter as Wiccan tipped off Harley that he was voting for her and saw himself leave.
Harley : At best we felt we provided enough reason for Ivy to want to keep us over Harley.
Batman : The Bat and us were discussing reasons to vote for Ivy here, which he eventually did, but he couldn't get Superwoman onside for whatever reasons and the ladies took him out.
Superwoman : This choice was solely ours. The game and other players reactions were heavily pointing to her winning the game. We had to remove that if we were to improve our chances at the end. We dearly wanted to choose her, but couldn't.
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Post by STARFIRE on Dec 19, 2014 13:57:50 GMT 10
Hm. both a bit underwhelming </3 I'd like to try something else, but I can't think of anything that will make me enthusiastic about either one of you I guess I'll just read what you say to the others.
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Post by STARFIRE on Dec 19, 2014 17:33:40 GMT 10
Maybe I should do what a real life jury would do. Can I vote for either of you without reasonable doubt that they played the better game? No.
But I can look at which argument has more verifiable statements, and I'll go with that I think. Whoever can prove their argument the best, even if it isn't the best argument, will get my vote. PMs, confesh, whatever, back up the claims you've made in here. I mean, you could just falsify them but don't. :phoenix
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Post by STARFIRE on Dec 19, 2014 17:34:52 GMT 10
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Post by TWO-FACE on Dec 20, 2014 21:00:48 GMT 10
You asked about our strategic prowess and while we weren't visible in driving decisions, we were concious of the moves we needed to make and tried our utmost to get those end results. From our confessionals: Following your bootAn ideal situation would be that Nightwing and Scarlet Witch be the next two votes, with Wiccan probably following that. Nightwing and Scarlet Witch are no doubt the jury front runners so they need to go. Wiccan is the fly in the ointment at the moment and most likely to upset the majority vote. From what we've been led to believe Wiccan was meant to vote Batman and Huntress at the double vote, but he went away from that and voted Arkillo and... Two Face! This next challenge looms like being a crucial one, so it's hard to really say. We feel we're in the good graces of most people, but the best avenue depends on how is in the pit after the next battle. Here is us contemplating giving Batman the idol. Note this was posted prior to receiving the PM where we supposedly led to do so.As for this vote I'm expecting Batman to go at this vote, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if it's Harley who goes. And we're going to let the idol expire, unless we decide to get creative with Batman, which we have a few days to decide upon. Planning a move against Harley with Batman and WiccanWe're not sure if Batman knows the source of the idol, but he asked me this and I'm sure he's facing the decision of who HE sends home. We told him there is more of a chance that Wiccan works with us moving forward. Both Wiccan and Batman have tried to pin the vote decision on me by getting me to make a final call. I told them that there's more risk of Harley being in this game if they want to survive otherwise with the 3 women in play you're against the odds, so we'll see how that goes. Personally that also works for me, taking one less variable out of the DC Villains group makes things more manageable. As much as we have enjoyed talking to Miss Quinn - despite being on opposite sides of the coin for most of this game - she is the one who is giving me the least options moving forward. Having her out of the equation gives me a bit more leeway as to how I move and hopefully position myself well. Thinking ahead to the end and how a similar path to Ivy may be a problem, not a bonusI am considering what's in store as far as F2 or F3 and the pros and cons of what players may have at the end. I'm feeling Ivy has a too similar of a game to me, Superwoman will win the social points hands down, Batman: we're not underestimating him and Harley is a likeable character who could surprise. So that is on my thoughts moving forward.
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Post by POISON IVY on Dec 21, 2014 3:39:16 GMT 10
After we saved Two Face on DCV Nah, I just spoke to Two Face. He is super grateful us three girls saved his ass and he knows it would be total suicide to go against us. He asked me what the plan is for the 5 of us next so we have just added 100 points of loyalty to ourselves in his book. I think he should be ok. I told him I had his back and I hope he would have mine so if he tries anything at all I will know about it. Emma is apparently coming here if she wins as well and a few on the boards want to come here as well. I think our best bet is to stick together and send them back where they came from and tell everyone we aren't a charity tribe. It's not our fault we can hold our shit together and they can't If worse comes to worse we cut Flash next round and then Emma the round after. We are going to get out numbered by randoms fast and this tribe will end up with no originals. Getting Wiccan over I have been working on Wiccan as well. Maybe you and I should expand our horizons and possible get an ally from somewhere else. It's about time we did something for ourselves. Girl, WE got Wiccan to come over here, I'm so happy for us because it gives the two of us more options Conversations with Two Face Exactly, which is why our last chance pretty much is to try and crack that item incase it is still there. I mean, once again none of them listened to me so I am pretty much not going to put any more ideas into that group because people just seem to not listen to logical fucking ideas. I still think that you and I working together is a smart move because people still think we are on opposite sides of the fence. People will most likely come to you and suggest me and people will come to me and suggest you. We are on the perfect opposite ends of the scale to come together and save ourselves. I know you're not dumb and we both know who is running this show right now. If we don't start to play this smart we are going to be sacrificial lambs. Eventually the Thoks will need to take out each other. lol, I'm not just a pretty face Harvey. I realise that Superwoman has her hand in every fucking cookie jar on this planet. She has alliances with anyone and everyone and I am not sure if she is genuine or fake. It's hard to tell. Basically we need to outlast the three who aren't in anything and then we need to strike while we have the chance. No one is going to win to Superwoman. Basically you and I need to be a twosome to counter the twosome that is Harley and Superwoman. That way if they try anything against either of us we will know abut it and can form a counter back. Right now I am just nodding my head in everything they say because it's going to do me well for now but I know if I do that forever there is not a chance in hell. Anyway, I am putting your name down as sidekick in case I win this challenge. It'll look WTF but i'll just tell Superwoman it is to keep up appearances with the Thok alliance so everyone feels included because of Wiccan's meltdown. Yeah it's all good. I understand we needed to save one of them and Nightwing is the best one to save because he has no allies left. Starfire needs to go. I think she is the next biggest threat in the game due to the fact girl knows how to talk and she just showed that she is quite capable of standing on her own two feet in challenges where as Scarlet is pretty much just floating around. If we don't take this opportunity now she could beast her way to the end and keep her ally safe round after round. I have put your name down if I win. I want to make sure our alliance going in is safe and if Superwoman/Wiccan/Harley etc... are all the talk they say they are then this vote leaving them in will put them to the test to vote out Scarlet because girlfriend is hustling hard right now. Harley seems to be swaying. Scarlet said Harley has been talking to her about a move and they want me in on it but you -know- how I feel about Scarlet. This alliance with you is the only one I trust because everyone else is running around exposing and making alliances with other people but no one suspects that you and I are together. We can just tell Superwoman and Harley we needed to keep DCV safe. Basically even if Wiccan sways in a vote Batman won't. Harley won't go against Superwoman though. She told me her number one priority now is keeping her safe. We have to be very careful with them. Batman may be in love with Superwoman but he seems to like me just as much so I feel like if we need him in a situation I can easily sway him over. Pretty much I can't get a read on Harley. I don't know if she is playing people or she is actually serious in making a move. She seems to have a lot of respect for Superwoman so she won't go against her.
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Post by STARFIRE on Dec 21, 2014 9:39:36 GMT 10
Thanks, good luck to you both.
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